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The cleanest kilowatt is the one that is not consumed - 31/08/2007
Marco Niro - Megachip
Inland Molise has the charm of the unspoilt countryside. Poor land, in the strict sense. Hard to cultivate, so much work and little yield. Industries? Rare as green spots in this hot summer, mostly yellow-colored dry when not in black smoke. Tourism? Almost absent. The development has never really come here on the hills of Molise. And this is what has left nature was still in a "savage". It 's the beauty of this land. But why tell you all this?
Not because I have roots in Molise, and every summer back in Molise, Lucito, even the small village of a thousand souls in the province of Campobasso, the birthplace of my parents and my four grandparents live. Or at least, I do not say the only reason.
I tell you why, in rural areas where the other years I heard only a few plow in the distance and the rest were the voices of nature, this year, much to my surprise, I heard the sound of "work". Jobs 'true', with great movement of equipment and materials. Works from the Great Work. Right here in the countryside where until recently just passed the shepherds and their flocks along the cattle track, the dirt road of transhumance, which joins the Abruzzi to Apulia. What was happening?
E 'own side of the sheep track that will be raised the first big windmill. Then comes the turn of the other 16. The wind farm will be built in the Municipality of dall'Edison Lucito, in its most windy, 800 meters above sea level. Where the plant will be built, there are now only a farm, some farm, a chapel and the remains of a ruined church of 1000. Not even a paved road, just dirt roads. And the sheep-track, of course. On a clear day, from there you can see the sea of \u200b\u200bTermoli, 50 kilometers away. It is one of the most beautiful places around the Molise.
The landscape impact of the blades will be considerable. A sort of hole in a modern pre-modern landscape. A fact like this should make you think.
In the future, energy will be used in increasing proportion, be clean and renewable. On that we obviously disagree. But it makes sense to worry about this until they have bothered to educate energy saving? The lamps of Lucito still use traditional lamps, and the same happens in the home. The green building is unknown, the houses are drafty. Public transport leaves much to be desired miserably. The only environmentally sustainable behaviors are ahead of their time that they have inherited from the old pre-modern world they come from, where the waste was banned. But the old are dying, and new generations are born with little or no awareness of environmental problems like global warming.
It must be noted that even if investing in clean and renewable energy production, not all investments are equal. The wind farm Lucito will cost one million euro. How many small solar photovoltaic systems could have been installed on the roofs of houses in the country, creating a minor impact on the landscape and especially allowing a widespread production of electricity? That the wind turbine, however, will be a centralized production - and this still traditional - that after the first three years required to amortize the expenses incurred, all'Edison earn profits.
The episode reminds us that the Molise kilowatt saved is more sustainable. And, in addition, not all kilowatt-hours are the same clean and renewable. Remember is the first wind farms to fill every windy area of \u200b\u200bthe peninsula.
Marco Niro - Megachip
Inland Molise has the charm of the unspoilt countryside. Poor land, in the strict sense. Hard to cultivate, so much work and little yield. Industries? Rare as green spots in this hot summer, mostly yellow-colored dry when not in black smoke. Tourism? Almost absent. The development has never really come here on the hills of Molise. And this is what has left nature was still in a "savage". It 's the beauty of this land. But why tell you all this?
Not because I have roots in Molise, and every summer back in Molise, Lucito, even the small village of a thousand souls in the province of Campobasso, the birthplace of my parents and my four grandparents live. Or at least, I do not say the only reason.
I tell you why, in rural areas where the other years I heard only a few plow in the distance and the rest were the voices of nature, this year, much to my surprise, I heard the sound of "work". Jobs 'true', with great movement of equipment and materials. Works from the Great Work. Right here in the countryside where until recently just passed the shepherds and their flocks along the cattle track, the dirt road of transhumance, which joins the Abruzzi to Apulia. What was happening?
E 'own side of the sheep track that will be raised the first big windmill. Then comes the turn of the other 16. The wind farm will be built in the Municipality of dall'Edison Lucito, in its most windy, 800 meters above sea level. Where the plant will be built, there are now only a farm, some farm, a chapel and the remains of a ruined church of 1000. Not even a paved road, just dirt roads. And the sheep-track, of course. On a clear day, from there you can see the sea of \u200b\u200bTermoli, 50 kilometers away. It is one of the most beautiful places around the Molise.
The landscape impact of the blades will be considerable. A sort of hole in a modern pre-modern landscape. A fact like this should make you think.
In the future, energy will be used in increasing proportion, be clean and renewable. On that we obviously disagree. But it makes sense to worry about this until they have bothered to educate energy saving? The lamps of Lucito still use traditional lamps, and the same happens in the home. The green building is unknown, the houses are drafty. Public transport leaves much to be desired miserably. The only environmentally sustainable behaviors are ahead of their time that they have inherited from the old pre-modern world they come from, where the waste was banned. But the old are dying, and new generations are born with little or no awareness of environmental problems like global warming.
It must be noted that even if investing in clean and renewable energy production, not all investments are equal. The wind farm Lucito will cost one million euro. How many small solar photovoltaic systems could have been installed on the roofs of houses in the country, creating a minor impact on the landscape and especially allowing a widespread production of electricity? That the wind turbine, however, will be a centralized production - and this still traditional - that after the first three years required to amortize the expenses incurred, all'Edison earn profits.
The episode reminds us that the Molise kilowatt saved is more sustainable. And, in addition, not all kilowatt-hours are the same clean and renewable. Remember is the first wind farms to fill every windy area of \u200b\u200bthe peninsula.
Cara Megachip, [with a reply to Marco Niro]
am writing to correct any of the information contained in "The cleanest kilowatt is the one that is not consumed." incorrect.
a) Since it is quite true that the best is saved kilowatt-hour, and that is very true that in Europe we would, and you must, save 20% of energy currently wasted by homes "wasteful", traditional lamps, and even electric hobs (a real massacre energy in a nation that burns fossil fuels to produce electricity), since all of this, unfortunately, not enough . The price of oil will increase forever, and people today do not have a dishwasher (60% of European households do not have it yet) the will, such as air conditioning in many offices and homes. So it's weird that even in the presence of (hopefully) substantial energy savings will go toward increased due to the increase of installed equipment.
b) For all we know, hardly the wind farm will only cost 1 million euro. With 16 windmills installed, will certainly be at least 16 million euro, but probably more (mills cost 1 million children each, up to 2.5 / 3 million each of the largest).
c) 16 mills each producing 1 megawatt per year, assuming an average wind (on site and it seems that there is a lot of wind), 32,000 megawatt-hours. To get the same production of energy from photovoltaic panels would serve more than 100,000 solar panels of 200 watts each, with a surface area of \u200b\u200bapproximately 400,000 m2 (or 40 hectares), and a total investment of about EUR 100 million. These data are obtained by multiplying 32 for an estimate for the construction of a park for the production of photovoltaic 1.000MWH/anno, where panels are 3800 with an investment of € 4.5 million and occupied an area equal to 12.000m2. It 'so obvious that the values \u200b\u200bare not comparable. MILLS I can produce, economically, energy compete with thermal power plants that burn fossil fuels, using a limited portion of the territory and with reasonable investments. The panels can help, where there is no wind, and where there is plenty of sun, and where there are roofs available, providing the energy that is used to a house or a condominium. But we must also always bear in mind that a windmill energy is necessary to produce returns in less Ten years later, while a solar panel takes twenty years. Warning! Nothing against solar panels, in fact absolutely need these too, but according to today's technology is unacceptable to think of energy production in significant amounts with the panels, which would occupy many acres of land (the roof would not be enough that a very small part), and are unrealistic comparisons of production costs. In fact there are currently several private companies that invest in the development of wind farms, NO that produces large-scale PV systems (ie for production of 1000 MWh / year and more).
d) Finally, a note on the production centralized / decentralized. production Wind energy is now mostly staffed by operators who are not part of the club of major energy producers (ENEL / EDISON / etc). It 's a matter of fact, it will be great because we do not have believed, because they considered a threat, but only now are waking up. And so it is all over the world. Sincerely Luca Salvi
answers the author Marco Niro.
"I thank the reader of your comments. The diversity of interpretation of the problem lies in a different way of viewing needs. The reader is assumed that everyone will want to have a dishwasher or air conditioning. And maybe that all the inhabitants of planet will want to have a car. The error is this. Conclude that consumers would have to increase more and more, that the Western consumerist lifestyle should "naturally" extend to anyone yet, there you comply. Energy conservation is not just a matter of technology but also, above all, cultural. Change must take place in the minds of us all. When we understand to be able to do without some fuel - yes, even the dishwasher and the car! - Then I can get away with producing clean, renewable energy, including wind power certainly, but who knows how to avoid the destruction of land by the great landscape value ".
Marco Niro
ON not go into, it seems NON-PROFIT AS EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE A FIRST IMPRESSION OF CHOICE, but says two things:
a) seen the undeniable impact on the landscape, is it possible to make interventions spot (six towers here, eight higher, the 10, etc.) without a thread? Local governments (municipalities, provinces, regions) and national, when you decide to make a national plan showing the areas in which to put the towers if you really need?
2) non-surfaces where to put the panels? But let's put on the roofs of industrial and craft activities such as giving entrepreneurs game against granting the right to build, a cost reduction energy. Thus we get millions of square meters for photovoltaics, saving the landscape, and a big help to those who do business. But it takes so long?
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